he's been at it at cbs now for 25 years. and still going strong. still doing it. so i hope he's proud of me. i'm proud of him. i actually started my career in sports. my first job out of college was at cnn "sports illustrated" which was a 24-hour sports network that i know you're familiar with. i really -- it was around for awhile. >> a little while. when you left that was it. >> right. it was a great place to learn the business. it was a bunch of young people in their 20s covering sports. that was i guess my first tv love was in sports. the nice thing was the audience went along for it. they didn't say wait a minute this is a news show. what are you doing a couple of minutes of sports on. they enjoyed first us doing it on morning joe hearing us bat around different sports stories. so i think there's a place for it in news definitely. >> let me get with the vanderbilt thing. louisville slugger. vanderbilt. go dores. >> i think you've got onto my strategy here. i mention vanderbilt university on television in lieu of donations to the school. i figure like every men